1 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:23,210 [Music] 2 00:00:23,220 --> 00:00:26,080 you 3 00:00:32,019 --> 00:00:29,980 my name is Stanton Friedman I'm was 4 00:00:34,570 --> 00:00:32,029 trained as a nuclear physicist 5 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:34,580 spent 14 years in industry for little 6 00:00:38,740 --> 00:00:35,570 companies like General Electric 7 00:00:40,990 --> 00:00:38,750 Westinghouse General Motors working on a 8 00:00:43,689 --> 00:00:41,000 variety of far-out advanced nuclear and 9 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:43,699 space system development programs it was 10 00:00:48,130 --> 00:00:45,890 great while it lasted but these were 11 00:00:49,270 --> 00:00:48,140 three years here three years there it's 12 00:00:53,740 --> 00:00:49,280 someplace else 13 00:00:57,610 --> 00:00:53,750 I read a book in 1958 Captain Edward 14 00:00:59,170 --> 00:00:57,620 rappels book about flying saucers he had 15 00:01:03,760 --> 00:00:59,180 been head of Project Blue Book for the 16 00:01:05,499 --> 00:01:03,770 Air Force in the early 50s and the book 17 00:01:07,270 --> 00:01:05,509 intrigued me and I shared with a 18 00:01:08,710 --> 00:01:07,280 neighbor who was 10 years older than I 19 00:01:10,180 --> 00:01:08,720 had a good engineer and he was more 20 00:01:14,980 --> 00:01:10,190 impressed than I was and then impressed 21 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:14,990 me he so I got hooked was intriguing and 22 00:01:20,380 --> 00:01:17,570 because I was working on far out things 23 00:01:23,980 --> 00:01:20,390 nuclear rockets fish and Rockets nuclear 24 00:01:26,980 --> 00:01:23,990 airplanes fusion rockets whatever the 25 00:01:28,990 --> 00:01:26,990 technology aspect particularly seemed 26 00:01:31,390 --> 00:01:29,000 intriguing to me because I was working 27 00:01:37,710 --> 00:01:31,400 my far out stuff myself so saucers must 28 00:01:42,190 --> 00:01:37,720 be far out too and I the Epiphany a 29 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:42,200 special moment came in the early 1960s 30 00:01:48,070 --> 00:01:43,250 when I was at the University of 31 00:01:51,070 --> 00:01:48,080 California Berkeley library I'd read ten 32 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:51,080 books about UFOs and suddenly I was 33 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:52,850 confronted with the largest study ever 34 00:01:57,670 --> 00:01:54,650 done for the Air Force which hadn't been 35 00:01:58,719 --> 00:01:57,680 mentioned in any of these books this 36 00:02:02,620 --> 00:01:58,729 project Bluebook 37 00:02:03,700 --> 00:02:02,630 special report number fourteen and I was 38 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:03,710 in data heaven 39 00:02:12,009 --> 00:02:06,890 charts tables graphs maps Wow 40 00:02:13,810 --> 00:02:12,019 and also another aspect of this report 41 00:02:17,259 --> 00:02:13,820 was that it included the press release 42 00:02:21,220 --> 00:02:17,269 that the Air Force issued in 1955 when 43 00:02:21,759 --> 00:02:21,230 this study was completed and I was 44 00:02:23,500 --> 00:02:21,769 shocked 45 00:02:25,300 --> 00:02:23,510 because there was the secretary of the 46 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:25,310 Air Force Donald Quarles 47 00:02:30,370 --> 00:02:27,290 lying through his teeth about the 48 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:30,380 results of the study I don't like being 49 00:02:35,199 --> 00:02:32,090 lied to especially by somebody at that 50 00:02:37,900 --> 00:02:35,209 level he said on the basis of this study 51 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:37,910 we believe that no objects such as those 52 00:02:41,060 --> 00:02:38,610 properly 53 00:02:44,020 --> 00:02:41,070 described as flying saucers have over 54 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:44,030 flown the United States even the unknown 55 00:02:49,250 --> 00:02:46,890 3% could have been identified as 56 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:49,260 conventional phenomena or illusions if 57 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:52,410 more complete observations had been 58 00:02:58,790 --> 00:02:56,490 available well I had the report was a 59 00:03:01,850 --> 00:02:58,800 total lie the unknowns were twenty one 60 00:03:03,500 --> 00:03:01,860 and a half percent that's a long way 61 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:03,510 from three percent and they were 62 00:03:07,940 --> 00:03:05,610 completely separate from the nine point 63 00:03:09,980 --> 00:03:07,950 three percent listed as insufficient 64 00:03:13,610 --> 00:03:09,990 information so was wrong on both counts 65 00:03:15,620 --> 00:03:13,620 and they had quality evaluation it turns 66 00:03:17,500 --> 00:03:15,630 out the better the quality of the 67 00:03:20,449 --> 00:03:17,510 sighting the more likely to be 68 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:20,459 unexplainable which is what you expect 69 00:03:27,500 --> 00:03:24,410 if there was something real and so I 70 00:03:29,870 --> 00:03:27,510 became determined to get to the bottom 71 00:03:32,630 --> 00:03:29,880 of this I don't like being lied to 72 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:32,640 I mean I worked under security for 14 73 00:03:38,540 --> 00:03:35,850 years and you you sometimes tiptoe 74 00:03:42,470 --> 00:03:38,550 around the truth but was not without 75 00:03:45,729 --> 00:03:42,480 blatant lying like that so I joined a 76 00:03:47,780 --> 00:03:45,739 pro and I kept the big UFO groups and 77 00:03:49,340 --> 00:03:47,790 joined a group of people when I was 78 00:03:52,610 --> 00:03:49,350 working for Westinghouse on nuclear 79 00:03:56,539 --> 00:03:52,620 rockets we had little UFO Research 80 00:04:04,220 --> 00:03:56,549 Institute and stuff and I gave my first 81 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:04,230 lecture it just was just happened kind 82 00:04:10,970 --> 00:04:08,250 of thing I read Frank Edwards book he 83 00:04:13,250 --> 00:04:10,980 had a best-selling book about flying 84 00:04:14,449 --> 00:04:13,260 saucers he was a newsman in Indianapolis 85 00:04:17,870 --> 00:04:14,459 and I've been living there working for 86 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:17,880 General Motors and I got a copy of his 87 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:20,010 book and then I moved to Pittsburgh to 88 00:04:25,159 --> 00:04:21,930 work for Westinghouse after nuclear lab 89 00:04:28,219 --> 00:04:25,169 on nuclear rocket engines I was exciting 90 00:04:30,260 --> 00:04:28,229 and I called Frank and said Frank I want 91 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:30,270 to go public give me some names he knew 92 00:04:35,060 --> 00:04:32,370 everybody was a journalist who traveled 93 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:35,070 a great deal and he gave me some names 94 00:04:39,620 --> 00:04:36,690 and one of them was a producer of a 95 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:39,630 radio show at KDKA Pittsburgh biggest 96 00:04:45,830 --> 00:04:43,650 station in Pittsburgh and one of the 97 00:04:49,830 --> 00:04:45,840 persons was the producer of a radio show 98 00:04:52,500 --> 00:04:49,840 called contact appropriate program 99 00:04:54,750 --> 00:04:52,510 and I called and offered my services 100 00:04:56,490 --> 00:04:54,760 gave my professional background and the 101 00:04:57,150 --> 00:04:56,500 response was don't call us we'll call 102 00:04:59,310 --> 00:04:57,160 you 103 00:05:02,820 --> 00:04:59,320 less than a month later they called me 104 00:05:05,340 --> 00:05:02,830 at 6:30 could I do their 7 o'clock show 105 00:05:08,340 --> 00:05:05,350 please somebody canceled at the last 106 00:05:12,150 --> 00:05:08,350 minute and I lived near the station so I 107 00:05:15,210 --> 00:05:12,160 said yes and I did it and somebody at 108 00:05:17,580 --> 00:05:15,220 work at Westinghouse said Stan we're 109 00:05:20,010 --> 00:05:17,590 reading Frank's book at my book review 110 00:05:21,750 --> 00:05:20,020 club how about giving us a lecture in my 111 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:21,760 living that was my first lecture in her 112 00:05:26,370 --> 00:05:22,450 living room 113 00:05:31,590 --> 00:05:26,380 and I did the show several times did 114 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:31,600 more lecturing and one day driving to 115 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:33,490 work with a woman who worked at 116 00:05:39,780 --> 00:05:35,770 Westinghouse supervisor Joanne was at a 117 00:05:41,700 --> 00:05:39,790 PhD and we live downtown and 118 00:05:45,690 --> 00:05:41,710 Westinghouse was out of town a little 119 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:45,700 town called large and I said gee I'd 120 00:05:50,250 --> 00:05:48,370 like to speak at Caltech California 121 00:05:52,890 --> 00:05:50,260 Institute I'm not cow brains to 122 00:05:56,670 --> 00:05:52,900 technology Carnegie Mellon sorry trying 123 00:05:58,140 --> 00:05:56,680 to be Mellon nature university and she 124 00:06:00,840 --> 00:05:58,150 said have you talked to the Dean and I 125 00:06:02,430 --> 00:06:00,850 said no I talked to dr. so-and-so well 126 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:02,440 Stan lunch you talk to the Dean he's my 127 00:06:05,460 --> 00:06:04,810 husband he's heard you on the radio give 128 00:06:11,340 --> 00:06:05,470 him a call 129 00:06:13,469 --> 00:06:11,350 but it was a date-time talk so I'd have 130 00:06:17,250 --> 00:06:13,479 to take some time off work his last 131 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:17,260 question was how much do you want I've 132 00:06:22,050 --> 00:06:19,090 got $100 thinking he'd knocked me down 133 00:06:23,190 --> 00:06:22,060 to 50 he bought the hundred and then he 134 00:06:28,460 --> 00:06:23,200 told me what he was playing the other 135 00:06:33,330 --> 00:06:28,470 speakers in the series 1517 not very 136 00:06:36,659 --> 00:06:33,340 well the talk went extremely well and he 137 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:36,669 sent a nice letter to the agent through 138 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:38,970 whom he had booked the other speakers 139 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:41,650 and they booked me at the Engineering 140 00:06:48,450 --> 00:06:45,010 Society of Detroit for $300 in expenses 141 00:06:51,090 --> 00:06:48,460 Wow I was in the big time they were sold 142 00:06:52,980 --> 00:06:51,100 out for two weeks in advance for a 143 00:06:54,450 --> 00:06:52,990 thousand and eight people for dinner and 144 00:06:58,110 --> 00:06:54,460 a talk and there weren't any negative 145 00:07:00,570 --> 00:06:58,120 questions that impressed me not the 146 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:00,580 money but just the fact that the 147 00:07:03,970 --> 00:07:01,930 Engineering Society of Detroiters are 148 00:07:06,550 --> 00:07:03,980 very legitimate work 149 00:07:07,870 --> 00:07:06,560 and I worked a lot with engineers in 150 00:07:09,970 --> 00:07:07,880 scientist in the work that I was doing 151 00:07:12,910 --> 00:07:09,980 at Westinghouse and had been doing 152 00:07:16,750 --> 00:07:12,920 before that the fact that they responded 153 00:07:21,100 --> 00:07:16,760 so well impressed me so I gave a bunch 154 00:07:22,540 --> 00:07:21,110 more talks and we had a great success on 155 00:07:25,210 --> 00:07:22,550 the nuclear rocket program at 156 00:07:28,750 --> 00:07:25,220 Westinghouse and they canceled the 157 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:28,760 program success breeds cancellation I 158 00:07:37,930 --> 00:07:34,850 guess and it was I had to find a job I 159 00:07:40,630 --> 00:07:37,940 had a wife and kids and so forth and so 160 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:40,640 bribing across the country I had located 161 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:44,450 a job at McDonald's Aguas my job was the 162 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:46,610 epitome of what I wanted to do try to 163 00:07:51,490 --> 00:07:48,650 figure out how flying saucers worked 164 00:07:53,050 --> 00:07:51,500 that's a technological challenge you 165 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:53,060 know how could they go back and forth up 166 00:07:58,630 --> 00:07:56,810 and down all this sort of stuff as I'm 167 00:08:00,250 --> 00:07:58,640 driving across the country I hear on the 168 00:08:04,690 --> 00:08:00,260 radio that the program that was going to 169 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:04,700 sponsor me was canceled how'd you like 170 00:08:09,250 --> 00:08:07,610 to walk in for taking your new job when 171 00:08:12,130 --> 00:08:09,260 they say you know we just laid off five 172 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:12,140 thousand people well that happened they 173 00:08:16,620 --> 00:08:13,610 kept me for three months but I know I 174 00:08:19,810 --> 00:08:16,630 had to take responsibility for myself 175 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:19,820 well since that time I've given over 700 176 00:08:25,630 --> 00:08:22,130 lectures in all 50 states ten provinces 177 00:08:28,900 --> 00:08:25,640 in 19 other countries it turns out I 178 00:08:31,390 --> 00:08:28,910 enjoy giving lectures I'm at home on the 179 00:08:34,060 --> 00:08:31,400 stage and I used to have a very good 180 00:08:35,469 --> 00:08:34,070 memory that's very important when you 181 00:08:39,450 --> 00:08:35,479 get asked questions when you need an 182 00:08:44,110 --> 00:08:39,460 answer now but not tomorrow now you know 183 00:08:48,730 --> 00:08:44,120 so here I am still going strong at my 184 00:08:51,550 --> 00:08:48,740 ripe old age and I bring to the subject 185 00:08:53,290 --> 00:08:51,560 a couple of special characteristics one 186 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:53,300 of them is having worked under security 187 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:54,890 a lot of people don't understand 188 00:09:00,490 --> 00:08:57,650 security for example I've done a whole 189 00:09:03,130 --> 00:09:00,500 book about operation majestic 12 very 190 00:09:06,100 --> 00:09:03,140 controversial organization which 191 00:09:10,060 --> 00:09:06,110 supposedly if you believe the important 192 00:09:16,260 --> 00:09:10,070 stuff was set up by President Truman to 193 00:09:18,570 --> 00:09:16,270 dig into the UFO question and I 194 00:09:20,460 --> 00:09:18,580 I'm one of the few people who saying 195 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:20,470 yeah those there's three genuine 196 00:09:24,870 --> 00:09:22,810 documents there's three dozen false ones 197 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:24,880 I don't care about them you know can be 198 00:09:30,570 --> 00:09:28,930 the genuine ones so my familiarity with 199 00:09:32,310 --> 00:09:30,580 security I mean I have people tell me oh 200 00:09:35,100 --> 00:09:32,320 the people on that would have told their 201 00:09:37,230 --> 00:09:35,110 wives you never tell your wife anything 202 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:37,240 classified first of all it's against the 203 00:09:41,970 --> 00:09:39,330 law you've signed a piece of paper and 204 00:09:45,060 --> 00:09:41,980 second loose lips sink ships you know 205 00:09:46,650 --> 00:09:45,070 who knows is out there who's nosing 206 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:46,660 around to find out things that you don't 207 00:09:53,220 --> 00:09:50,610 want to know so security is one thing 208 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:53,230 second is the advanced propulsion stuff 209 00:09:59,040 --> 00:09:56,130 I mean the biggest objection raised by 210 00:10:01,590 --> 00:09:59,050 scientific people supposedly is you 211 00:10:03,750 --> 00:10:01,600 can't get here from there the setting 212 00:10:06,030 --> 00:10:03,760 community search for extraterrestrial 213 00:10:11,010 --> 00:10:06,040 intelligence I say it stands for silly 214 00:10:12,660 --> 00:10:11,020 effort to investigate a CTI and they say 215 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:12,670 well the nearest civilization have to be 216 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:15,490 hundreds of light-years away and well 217 00:10:19,949 --> 00:10:18,130 that simply isn't true and today more 218 00:10:24,780 --> 00:10:19,959 than ever we know thanks to the Kepler 219 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:24,790 satellite that gee there are planets one 220 00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:26,850 over the police out there not just 221 00:10:35,820 --> 00:10:31,510 occasionally the average it is assumed 222 00:10:38,820 --> 00:10:35,830 today is one to one point six planets 223 00:10:40,860 --> 00:10:38,830 per star now what does that mean in 224 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:40,870 local neighborhood within 100 225 00:10:44,610 --> 00:10:42,970 light-years that's just down the street 226 00:10:46,350 --> 00:10:44,620 the galaxies hundred thousand 227 00:10:50,310 --> 00:10:46,360 light-years across oh hundred 228 00:10:53,970 --> 00:10:50,320 light-years next-door there are 10,000 229 00:10:55,740 --> 00:10:53,980 stars so if there's between one oh one 230 00:10:57,390 --> 00:10:55,750 point six planets per star that means 231 00:11:00,690 --> 00:10:57,400 between ten thousand and sixteen 232 00:11:04,079 --> 00:11:00,700 thousand planets within a mere hundred 233 00:11:06,269 --> 00:11:04,089 light years and throughout the galaxy 234 00:11:07,829 --> 00:11:06,279 we're talking billions and billions of 235 00:11:11,460 --> 00:11:07,839 planets so I'm not saying they all have 236 00:11:13,410 --> 00:11:11,470 life they don't have to you know we 237 00:11:15,329 --> 00:11:13,420 nuclear guys are accustomed to dealing 238 00:11:16,790 --> 00:11:15,339 with the smaller part of something that 239 00:11:20,370 --> 00:11:16,800 makes a big difference 240 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:20,380 uranium is mostly uranium 238 we want 241 00:11:27,690 --> 00:11:22,810 uranium 235 seven tenths of one percent 242 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:27,700 are nothing in World War two to build a 243 00:11:35,650 --> 00:11:30,050 first atomic bomb we establish a 244 00:11:39,250 --> 00:11:35,660 that was a mile long and you pump gas 245 00:11:42,910 --> 00:11:39,260 through and uranium guess uranium 246 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:42,920 hexafluoride guess and you want to 247 00:11:47,889 --> 00:11:46,010 enrich it in uranium-235 it moves a 248 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:47,899 little faster than the uranium 238 249 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:51,170 because it's a little lighter during the 250 00:11:56,620 --> 00:11:54,290 war we were using five percent of all 251 00:11:58,720 --> 00:11:56,630 the electricity produced in the United 252 00:12:03,850 --> 00:11:58,730 States just to pump the gas in that 253 00:12:06,069 --> 00:12:03,860 facility in secret mind you so it's the 254 00:12:08,500 --> 00:12:06,079 235 that matters less than seven tenths 255 00:12:09,970 --> 00:12:08,510 of one percent but who cares about the 256 00:12:14,500 --> 00:12:09,980 other ninety nine point three percent 257 00:12:17,230 --> 00:12:14,510 it's converting by everyone so I have a 258 00:12:19,329 --> 00:12:17,240 peculiarly jaundiced background you look 259 00:12:25,540 --> 00:12:19,339 for what's important not the general 260 00:12:28,810 --> 00:12:25,550 things third I found out that I was at 261 00:12:32,650 --> 00:12:28,820 home on the stage I could keep my cool 262 00:12:34,990 --> 00:12:32,660 under fire and I found that I enjoyed 263 00:12:37,540 --> 00:12:35,000 doing that and they had a very good 264 00:12:40,150 --> 00:12:37,550 membrane this is a long time ago when I 265 00:12:42,130 --> 00:12:40,160 got started but so it made a good 266 00:12:45,550 --> 00:12:42,140 combination I could answer questions now 267 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:45,560 and I once figured I'd answered seventy 268 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:50,890 thousand questions of course my life and 269 00:12:57,069 --> 00:12:54,770 also I've been forced to think about a 270 00:12:58,060 --> 00:12:57,079 lot of questions what I call the Y 271 00:13:01,030 --> 00:12:58,070 questions 272 00:13:03,420 --> 00:13:01,040 why would aliens come here why doesn't 273 00:13:06,819 --> 00:13:03,430 the government tell us what it knows 274 00:13:08,350 --> 00:13:06,829 questions like that I know I'm going to 275 00:13:11,560 --> 00:13:08,360 get asked about that sort of stuff so 276 00:13:13,510 --> 00:13:11,570 I'm kind of ponder it I've been to 20 277 00:13:15,550 --> 00:13:13,520 document on archives some of them many 278 00:13:19,540 --> 00:13:15,560 times Presidential Library stuff like 279 00:13:24,610 --> 00:13:19,550 that and getting back to this majestic 280 00:13:28,509 --> 00:13:24,620 12 business the debunkers a typical 281 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:28,519 example was oh this document but you 282 00:13:33,340 --> 00:13:30,890 think as genuine was typed in the large 283 00:13:35,410 --> 00:13:33,350 Piko type but the National Security 284 00:13:38,740 --> 00:13:35,420 Council used only a V type this 285 00:13:40,269 --> 00:13:38,750 gentleman said and I've got nine 286 00:13:43,210 --> 00:13:40,279 documents to prove it and they're all a 287 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:43,220 lead type he challenged me to provide 288 00:13:46,569 --> 00:13:43,970 any other 289 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:46,579 genuine documents done of the same size 290 00:13:53,410 --> 00:13:49,370 and style type as this question document 291 00:13:55,420 --> 00:13:53,420 I had never been I found out to the 292 00:14:00,069 --> 00:13:55,430 Eisenhower library I spent weeks there 293 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:00,079 and to make a long story short I and my 294 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:02,810 next visit there picked up 14 documents 295 00:14:06,879 --> 00:14:04,370 done of the same size and style so I 296 00:14:07,869 --> 00:14:06,889 made copies and sent him an invoice for 297 00:14:11,079 --> 00:14:07,879 a thousand dollars each 298 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:11,089 offered me $100 each for every genuine 299 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:15,050 document up to a maximum of ten he had 300 00:14:20,369 --> 00:14:16,610 never been in the eyes narrow library so 301 00:14:24,220 --> 00:14:20,379 this is on for the top of his head and I 302 00:14:26,710 --> 00:14:24,230 copied the 14-7 invoice for a thousand 303 00:14:28,780 --> 00:14:26,720 dollars and he paid me and got very 304 00:14:34,569 --> 00:14:28,790 angry when I published a copy of his 305 00:14:36,639 --> 00:14:34,579 check book but it's a ridiculous thing 306 00:14:42,269 --> 00:14:36,649 that he said without any knowledge 307 00:14:45,519 --> 00:14:42,279 behind it so I enjoy being at archives 308 00:14:48,249 --> 00:14:45,529 my basic rule is have facts in hand 309 00:14:50,499 --> 00:14:48,259 before putting mouth and gear or pen 310 00:14:53,619 --> 00:14:50,509 I've authored or co-authored six books 311 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:53,629 and I think that's an absolute 312 00:14:57,610 --> 00:14:55,370 requirement you can't just say things 313 00:14:59,559 --> 00:14:57,620 you have to have evidence for them and 314 00:15:01,720 --> 00:14:59,569 sometimes you don't have enough evidence 315 00:15:03,730 --> 00:15:01,730 so you don't say it you may think it's 316 00:15:06,610 --> 00:15:03,740 true but and it may be true but if you 317 00:15:08,410 --> 00:15:06,620 don't have the evidence no way Jose 318 00:15:14,530 --> 00:15:08,420 that's not what you talked about 319 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:14,540 so I also have the benefit of people 320 00:15:20,379 --> 00:15:16,610 telling me a lot of stuff after my 321 00:15:22,119 --> 00:15:20,389 lectures they are impressed with my 322 00:15:25,389 --> 00:15:22,129 background as a nuclear physicist work 323 00:15:27,449 --> 00:15:25,399 for big companies and so forth and so 324 00:15:30,309 --> 00:15:27,459 I've had a lot of people tell me things 325 00:15:32,699 --> 00:15:30,319 which gives me food for thought which 326 00:15:35,799 --> 00:15:32,709 lets me know what people wonder about 327 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:35,809 what some people know but would be 328 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:37,930 useful for me to know things like that 329 00:15:46,090 --> 00:15:41,930 so it's been a quite a trip first 330 00:15:48,790 --> 00:15:46,100 lecture in 1967 Here I am more than 700 331 00:15:51,579 --> 00:15:48,800 lectures later all 50 states ten 332 00:15:53,410 --> 00:15:51,589 provinces and 19 other countries that's 333 00:15:57,050 --> 00:15:53,420 a pretty good sampling of the world in 334 00:16:03,260 --> 00:15:57,060 other words from Australia to Finland to 335 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:03,270 Argentina to Korea China uh so I've been 336 00:16:08,300 --> 00:16:06,090 really blessed by the opportunity to 337 00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:08,310 interact with lots of people media 338 00:16:13,070 --> 00:16:10,980 people as well as audience playing 339 00:16:16,700 --> 00:16:13,080 audience members and scientific and 340 00:16:19,250 --> 00:16:16,710 professional people so if you had asked 341 00:16:21,710 --> 00:16:19,260 me back in the early 60s if I thought I 342 00:16:23,060 --> 00:16:21,720 wind up being a full-time ufologist I'd 343 00:16:24,770 --> 00:16:23,070 have left my head off what are you 344 00:16:26,390 --> 00:16:24,780 talking about you know I worked my way 345 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:26,400 through college I got to be a 346 00:16:33,020 --> 00:16:30,090 professional physicist well got away 347 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:33,030 from that and I haven't regretted it 348 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:36,930 really so one of the things that's been 349 00:16:45,230 --> 00:16:39,810 interesting she's trying to look at the 350 00:16:47,570 --> 00:16:45,240 planet Earth our wonderful home the way 351 00:16:51,670 --> 00:16:47,580 aliens would look at it how do we look 352 00:16:55,670 --> 00:16:51,680 to them and it's not a pretty picture I 353 00:17:00,410 --> 00:16:55,680 mean let's face it World War two we 354 00:17:02,300 --> 00:17:00,420 killed 50 million people we our own kind 355 00:17:07,970 --> 00:17:02,310 these aren't aliens we killed these are 356 00:17:10,730 --> 00:17:07,980 earthlings we destroyed 1706 even this 357 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:10,740 year we're spending a trillion trillion 358 00:17:17,090 --> 00:17:14,490 dollars on things military we have 359 00:17:20,210 --> 00:17:17,100 exploded the surprises people 2,000 360 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:20,220 nuclear weapons that many yes that many 361 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:24,210 and and I'm a nuclear guy but still I 362 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:26,850 don't like the idea of nuclear weapons 363 00:17:32,660 --> 00:17:29,370 and people being threatened I've got a 364 00:17:34,220 --> 00:17:32,670 great grandson I've got a grandson I'm 365 00:17:38,410 --> 00:17:34,230 concerned about the people on this 366 00:17:41,180 --> 00:17:38,420 planet and you know it's kind of funny 367 00:17:45,260 --> 00:17:41,190 people can't think of reasons for 368 00:17:47,780 --> 00:17:45,270 anybody to travel I can all for my 369 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:47,790 grandparents were born in Europe I grew 370 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:49,050 up in the United States was born the 371 00:17:56,210 --> 00:17:54,090 United States but migration colonization 372 00:17:57,020 --> 00:17:56,220 they're a big part of what happens on 373 00:17:59,000 --> 00:17:57,030 this planet 374 00:18:00,500 --> 00:17:59,010 I mean Las Vegas there weren't many 375 00:18:06,170 --> 00:18:00,510 people living there hundred and fifty 376 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:06,180 years ago I'm thinking say so I found 377 00:18:11,510 --> 00:18:09,410 this a fascinating are 378 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:11,520 opportunity to find out about something 379 00:18:15,470 --> 00:18:13,530 important for example I'm the original 380 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:15,480 civilian investigator the Roswell 381 00:18:22,250 --> 00:18:18,930 incident and it came about because I was 382 00:18:24,830 --> 00:18:22,260 lecturing supposed to do two lectures at 383 00:18:26,540 --> 00:18:24,840 a television station or two interviews 384 00:18:28,940 --> 00:18:26,550 at a television station in Baton Rouge 385 00:18:32,180 --> 00:18:28,950 Louisiana speaking that night Louisiana 386 00:18:33,980 --> 00:18:32,190 State University and I did the first two 387 00:18:34,610 --> 00:18:33,990 and the third reporter was nowhere to be 388 00:18:38,630 --> 00:18:34,620 found 389 00:18:40,340 --> 00:18:38,640 he's back in 1978 the station manager is 390 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:40,350 talking to me giving me coffee he's 391 00:18:44,660 --> 00:18:41,850 looking at his watch he knows I have 392 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:44,670 things to do and so does he out of the 393 00:18:49,550 --> 00:18:46,290 blue he says you know the guy got to 394 00:18:52,610 --> 00:18:49,560 talk to his Jesse Marcel brilliant 395 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:52,620 investigator that I am I said what's 396 00:18:57,260 --> 00:18:54,770 special about him who's he 397 00:18:59,090 --> 00:18:57,270 his next sentence changed my life he 398 00:19:00,710 --> 00:18:59,100 said he handled wreckage or one of those 399 00:19:03,590 --> 00:19:00,720 saucers you're interested in when he was 400 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:03,600 in the military what would that come 401 00:19:05,750 --> 00:19:04,890 from there wasn't anybody around he 402 00:19:08,120 --> 00:19:05,760 wasn't making a joke 403 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:08,130 he was quite serious what do you know 404 00:19:11,690 --> 00:19:10,170 about him he lives in Houma I didn't 405 00:19:15,370 --> 00:19:11,700 know where Houma Louisiana was I was 406 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:15,380 there later to see Jesse but anyway 407 00:19:20,900 --> 00:19:18,450 everything went well that day because a 408 00:19:22,910 --> 00:19:20,910 reporter showed up finally the next day 409 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:22,920 I was at the airport early and I called 410 00:19:26,270 --> 00:19:24,690 information that's what we used before 411 00:19:29,780 --> 00:19:26,280 you use computers to get all your 412 00:19:33,050 --> 00:19:29,790 numbers I got a number for Jesse called 413 00:19:36,590 --> 00:19:33,060 him he told me his story and that was 414 00:19:37,450 --> 00:19:36,600 the beginning that was 1978 so that's 415 00:19:41,420 --> 00:19:37,460 what 416 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:41,430 38 years or 39 years ago I've been on 417 00:19:50,210 --> 00:19:47,010 the case ever since uh but it was a very 418 00:19:52,430 --> 00:19:50,220 important case to me and to the world I 419 00:19:53,870 --> 00:19:52,440 think because here we have the president 420 00:19:56,810 --> 00:19:53,880 knighted States Harry Truman 421 00:20:00,350 --> 00:19:56,820 establishing a group for the purpose of 422 00:20:02,570 --> 00:20:00,360 dealing with flying saucers because we'd 423 00:20:04,430 --> 00:20:02,580 recovered the wreckage of one near Raja 424 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:04,440 there have been several other wrecks 425 00:20:11,420 --> 00:20:07,530 that have been recovered all this is 426 00:20:13,100 --> 00:20:11,430 done in secret the United States or any 427 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:13,110 other country is willing to admit that 428 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:16,530 oh by the way aliens are visiting you 429 00:20:22,100 --> 00:20:20,850 know that's a big story so I was lucky 430 00:20:22,610 --> 00:20:22,110 to be in the right place at the right 431 00:20:25,220 --> 00:20:22,620 time 432 00:20:27,710 --> 00:20:25,230 and it turns out Jesse Marcel had never 433 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:27,720 told the television guy anything 434 00:20:33,909 --> 00:20:30,570 important he had seen the article in the 435 00:20:38,299 --> 00:20:33,919 New Orleans times-picayune newspaper and 436 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:38,309 back then you'd put in a military guy's 437 00:20:45,140 --> 00:20:41,570 name and where he was from his hometown 438 00:20:50,120 --> 00:20:45,150 it was standard practice and when I 439 00:20:54,830 --> 00:20:50,130 asked the television guy 440 00:20:58,700 --> 00:20:54,840 what did Jesse tell you he asked him 441 00:21:00,620 --> 00:20:58,710 about it I can't talk about it so he 442 00:21:01,850 --> 00:21:00,630 hadn't given away anything and I found 443 00:21:03,919 --> 00:21:01,860 out later there were articles in 444 00:21:07,639 --> 00:21:03,929 newspapers from Chicago West about the 445 00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:07,649 event early July 1947 it was a big story 446 00:21:12,799 --> 00:21:10,799 headlines and then they said oh well 447 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:12,809 just a radar reflector weather balloon 448 00:21:19,399 --> 00:21:15,570 combination and they got rid of it one 449 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:19,409 big question about UFOs of course is so 450 00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:22,890 what who cares so they're aliens zipping 451 00:21:26,889 --> 00:21:24,480 around the planet landing hither in 452 00:21:29,659 --> 00:21:26,899 their yawn picking up specimens 453 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:29,669 abduction cases for example I've 454 00:21:35,269 --> 00:21:32,450 co-authored a book with kathleen Mardon 455 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:35,279 captured the Betty and Barney Hill UFO 456 00:21:40,850 --> 00:21:37,490 experience she was Betty Hills niece I 457 00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:40,860 had met Betty Ben at her home Gunn 458 00:21:46,130 --> 00:21:43,679 television programs with her and Kathy 459 00:21:49,970 --> 00:21:46,140 and I got they heard about the story the 460 00:21:55,700 --> 00:21:49,980 day it happened when Betty called 461 00:21:59,149 --> 00:21:55,710 Kathleen's mother her sister uh and so 462 00:22:01,010 --> 00:21:59,159 that was way back in 1961 so she's been 463 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:01,020 in on the story right right from the 464 00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:04,970 start and it's an important story 465 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:07,440 because it tells you something about the 466 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:09,570 aliens and about our reaction to them 467 00:22:13,580 --> 00:22:12,090 they picked up a specimen it was 468 00:22:15,769 --> 00:22:13,590 catching a release time to use a 469 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:15,779 fisherman's turn you know it's okay to 470 00:22:22,130 --> 00:22:18,770 catch the fish to get it thrown back and 471 00:22:27,019 --> 00:22:22,140 Betty and Barney were thrown back kind 472 00:22:31,220 --> 00:22:27,029 of thing but it seems to be that the 473 00:22:33,409 --> 00:22:31,230 aliens are here among other purposes to 474 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:33,419 pick up specimens and start to study 475 00:22:39,740 --> 00:22:35,610 their physiological structure 476 00:22:41,630 --> 00:22:39,750 so to speak and that may sound strange 477 00:22:44,780 --> 00:22:41,640 to some people you realize we go out and 478 00:22:47,380 --> 00:22:44,790 pick up specimens animals or zoos or 479 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:47,390 fruit of things what's going on you know 480 00:22:55,150 --> 00:22:52,650 it it strikes me as one of the most 481 00:22:58,330 --> 00:22:55,160 important stories of this millennium 482 00:23:04,400 --> 00:22:58,340 that the planets being visited 483 00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:04,410 partly because when you see where we are 484 00:23:09,919 --> 00:23:08,640 on the technological scales the fact 485 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:09,929 that we can build nuclear weapons 486 00:23:16,159 --> 00:23:13,890 enormous nuclear weapons also means we 487 00:23:19,130 --> 00:23:16,169 could build propulsion systems to get us 488 00:23:20,659 --> 00:23:19,140 to the stars and frankly if I were an 489 00:23:22,190 --> 00:23:20,669 alien I wouldn't want Earthlings out 490 00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:22,200 there because we don't have a good 491 00:23:28,909 --> 00:23:25,679 history we're nasty we're not nice guys 492 00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:28,919 here on earth and people look away what 493 00:23:33,710 --> 00:23:31,200 do you mean I'm a nice guy 494 00:23:35,659 --> 00:23:33,720 but the planet is spending its resources 495 00:23:38,060 --> 00:23:35,669 for killing people more than it is for 496 00:23:42,940 --> 00:23:38,070 helping them saving them feeding the 497 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:42,950 starving feeding the poor so there's a 498 00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:47,730 question what are the others in the 499 00:23:52,490 --> 00:23:49,919 neighborhood doing are there rules of 500 00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:52,500 engagement in other words other rules 501 00:23:59,570 --> 00:23:55,130 that you can't go bother somebody else 502 00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:59,580 we don't have a planetary government you 503 00:24:01,909 --> 00:24:00,960 stop to think about that that is a 504 00:24:05,150 --> 00:24:01,919 little strange 505 00:24:08,450 --> 00:24:05,160 we have 195 countries I think less than 506 00:24:11,330 --> 00:24:08,460 magic and there are people in power who 507 00:24:15,950 --> 00:24:11,340 love having power running each country 508 00:24:17,470 --> 00:24:15,960 kind of thing I get people saying well 509 00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:17,480 they just land on the White House lawn 510 00:24:26,659 --> 00:24:25,010 that's apparently not why they're here 511 00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:26,669 they know we know they're here if you've 512 00:24:31,070 --> 00:24:28,799 been tracked on radar umpteen times I've 513 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:31,080 talked got some information about a lot 514 00:24:40,730 --> 00:24:38,450 of good radar cases so my role is to 515 00:24:42,620 --> 00:24:40,740 take advantage of my professional 516 00:24:44,570 --> 00:24:42,630 background as a nuclear physicist should 517 00:24:47,729 --> 00:24:44,580 work for a respectable country and 518 00:24:50,590 --> 00:24:47,739 companies like GE GM wasting assets 519 00:24:53,019 --> 00:24:50,600 to educate people about the enormous 520 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:53,029 amount of evidence that's out there and 521 00:24:59,729 --> 00:24:56,090 to raise the question how do we want to 522 00:25:02,229 --> 00:24:59,739 behave that's not a trivial question 523 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:02,239 when we're building nuclear weapons all 524 00:25:08,139 --> 00:25:04,369 over the place I'm a nuclear guy I 525 00:25:10,239 --> 00:25:08,149 appreciate that is a sense of my god so 526 00:25:12,479 --> 00:25:10,249 much power in the hands of people who I 527 00:25:15,639 --> 00:25:12,489 wouldn't trust with that much power 528 00:25:19,810 --> 00:25:15,649 there's a few countries now everybody 529 00:25:24,219 --> 00:25:19,820 else is trying to get nuclear weapons to 530 00:25:27,609 --> 00:25:24,229 exert their power on their neighbors SMS 531 00:25:30,099 --> 00:25:27,619 I don't want my great-grandson to grow 532 00:25:32,859 --> 00:25:30,109 up in the world that is still doing the 533 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:32,869 same thing when he's in a coma we need 534 00:25:36,460 --> 00:25:34,970 to get our act together on this one so 535 00:25:39,129 --> 00:25:36,470 that's one of the things that drives me 536 00:25:43,869 --> 00:25:39,139 yes I enjoy being on the stage and so 537 00:25:50,649 --> 00:25:43,879 forth but there's a bigger story here 538 00:25:53,979 --> 00:25:50,659 and I wish I had access to the files of 539 00:25:57,310 --> 00:25:53,989 the aliens how many civilizations make 540 00:26:00,399 --> 00:25:57,320 it once they've reached this point of 541 00:26:02,889 --> 00:26:00,409 developing nuclear weapons will 542 00:26:06,339 --> 00:26:02,899 everybody do that well as a key factor 543 00:26:09,159 --> 00:26:06,349 here every advancing civilization will 544 00:26:12,639 --> 00:26:09,169 want to know how does this star produce 545 00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:12,649 its energy an awful lot of energy there 546 00:26:17,529 --> 00:26:15,529 and even though we on the planet we're 547 00:26:20,169 --> 00:26:17,539 thinking that stars reduce their energy 548 00:26:22,570 --> 00:26:20,179 by burning gas this is back in the 1920s 549 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:22,580 plus 100 years ago now we know it's 550 00:26:30,219 --> 00:26:26,450 nuclear fusion and the same fusion that 551 00:26:33,969 --> 00:26:30,229 can be used for bombs h-bonds can be 552 00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:33,979 used for propulsion system I worked on a 553 00:26:42,009 --> 00:26:36,710 study of fusion propulsion for deep 554 00:26:43,779 --> 00:26:42,019 space travel in 1962 and the conclusion 555 00:26:47,379 --> 00:26:43,789 was if you want to spend the money you 556 00:26:50,139 --> 00:26:47,389 can do it it takes a lot of money these 557 00:26:53,499 --> 00:26:50,149 programs aren't for professors and eight 558 00:26:55,060 --> 00:26:53,509 grad students we're talking about 559 00:26:59,230 --> 00:26:55,070 thousands of people work on these 560 00:27:02,350 --> 00:26:59,240 program but we 561 00:27:06,340 --> 00:27:02,360 choices to make what kind of world do we 562 00:27:08,020 --> 00:27:06,350 150 years live today still scrabbling 563 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:08,030 with each other every more country's 564 00:27:14,620 --> 00:27:10,850 trying to build nuclear weapons no use 565 00:27:17,169 --> 00:27:14,630 for a nuclear weapon is to kill nuclear 566 00:27:19,630 --> 00:27:17,179 propulsion and on the story and you know 567 00:27:22,510 --> 00:27:19,640 the Navy learned this a long time really 568 00:27:24,330 --> 00:27:22,520 United States Navy has not only 569 00:27:28,419 --> 00:27:24,340 submarines that can go around the world 570 00:27:30,460 --> 00:27:28,429 underwater nuclear-powered submarines in 571 00:27:32,410 --> 00:27:30,470 a first world war or a second world or 572 00:27:36,580 --> 00:27:32,420 even German submarines could stay 573 00:27:39,370 --> 00:27:36,590 underwater for a day diesel engines they 574 00:27:42,490 --> 00:27:39,380 need the air you can't keep them under 575 00:27:45,790 --> 00:27:42,500 the water now go around the world 576 00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:45,800 literally underwater without coming to 577 00:27:51,220 --> 00:27:48,910 the surface that since 1960 578 00:27:53,470 --> 00:27:51,230 makes a big difference it means you 579 00:27:56,500 --> 00:27:53,480 don't know where my submarines are you 580 00:27:57,850 --> 00:27:56,510 attack me I can attack you without your 581 00:28:00,940 --> 00:27:57,860 being able to stop it 582 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:00,950 the nuclear Navy has nuclear-powered 583 00:28:09,549 --> 00:28:04,730 aircraft carriers operate for 18 years 584 00:28:11,410 --> 00:28:09,559 18 years without refueling that's rather 585 00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:11,420 incredible if you're a ship captain that 586 00:28:14,770 --> 00:28:13,130 makes one a heck of a lot of difference 587 00:28:18,390 --> 00:28:14,780 if you don't need to have a tanker or 588 00:28:21,850 --> 00:28:18,400 two or three or four circling around so 589 00:28:25,690 --> 00:28:21,860 it forces one to think about these 590 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:25,700 things what can we do to make the world 591 00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:27,290 a better place for our 592 00:28:33,730 --> 00:28:30,080 great-grandchildren I think of that 593 00:28:37,330 --> 00:28:33,740 because I have a great grandson and I'm 594 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:37,340 concerned what are the chances of 595 00:28:43,410 --> 00:28:39,410 getting through this time of great 596 00:28:46,540 --> 00:28:43,420 tension right now as we speak there are 597 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:46,550 cold war battles going on so to speak 598 00:28:54,010 --> 00:28:50,570 battles of words but those could easily 599 00:29:00,000 --> 00:28:54,020 lead to battles of weapons and that 600 00:29:04,210 --> 00:29:00,010 concerns me so we need to consider our 601 00:29:06,669 --> 00:29:04,220 place in the scheme of things flying 602 00:29:09,220 --> 00:29:06,679 saucers give us so much evidence from 603 00:29:11,230 --> 00:29:09,230 all over the planet I said I've spoken 604 00:29:12,700 --> 00:29:11,240 in nineteen countries everywhere people 605 00:29:15,159 --> 00:29:12,710 are interested 606 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:15,169 and sightings occur everywhere it's not 607 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:17,570 an occasional this country that country 608 00:29:24,010 --> 00:29:20,690 is everywhere when I check my audiences 609 00:29:26,350 --> 00:29:24,020 at the end of my lectures lectures like 610 00:29:29,500 --> 00:29:26,360 flying saucers are real or a new view of 611 00:29:32,169 --> 00:29:29,510 the cosmos or the Roswell incident that 612 00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:32,179 stuff like that at the end of the 613 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:33,919 lecture I asked how many people here 614 00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:35,570 believe they've seen what I would 615 00:29:40,269 --> 00:29:37,520 consider to be a flying saucer I've 616 00:29:44,159 --> 00:29:40,279 defined my terms earlier just raise your 617 00:29:47,230 --> 00:29:44,169 hand and I'll point and count no names 618 00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:47,240 typically it's 10% I've had crabs 619 00:29:54,490 --> 00:29:51,200 biggest mm so that's a lot of people but 620 00:29:59,169 --> 00:29:54,500 then I asked how many of you reported 621 00:30:01,240 --> 00:29:59,179 what you saw 90% of the hands go down if 622 00:30:03,930 --> 00:30:01,250 there's anybody left I'll say how many 623 00:30:07,450 --> 00:30:03,940 of you were in the military at the time 624 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:07,460 there's still somebody left want to tell 625 00:30:15,940 --> 00:30:10,330 us about it get some interesting answers 626 00:30:18,220 --> 00:30:15,950 one guy says they took my pictures tell 627 00:30:19,690 --> 00:30:18,230 me more yeah I'm sure the audience would 628 00:30:22,450 --> 00:30:19,700 like to hear the rest of the story I 629 00:30:25,299 --> 00:30:22,460 said so he's remained seated gave him a 630 00:30:28,539 --> 00:30:25,309 microphone he was flying as a piloting 631 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:28,549 of orange and Air Force plane across the 632 00:30:34,450 --> 00:30:31,970 Pacific and it was a radio message from 633 00:30:36,010 --> 00:30:34,460 the plane 20 miles ahead of him that 634 00:30:38,649 --> 00:30:36,020 there was a saucer heading their way 635 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:38,659 they had gun cameras on the plane so 636 00:30:42,250 --> 00:30:40,610 they took pictures they called the base 637 00:30:44,260 --> 00:30:42,260 to which they were going and when they 638 00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:44,270 landed the film was taken they don't go 639 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:47,440 to the drugstore with the pictures and 640 00:30:53,860 --> 00:30:50,090 they were debriefed and told never to 641 00:30:57,930 --> 00:30:53,870 say anything had another guy say I'll 642 00:31:02,010 --> 00:30:57,940 talk to you later he was in Vietnam 643 00:31:04,450 --> 00:31:02,020 flying a helicopter in the late 60s and 644 00:31:06,940 --> 00:31:04,460 suddenly this sleek saucer-shaped 645 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:06,950 vehicle comes upon them circles around 646 00:31:14,370 --> 00:31:10,370 them twice and he figured there were 647 00:31:17,529 --> 00:31:14,380 going to be dead in a minute new Russian 648 00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:17,539 vehicle and it circled around them a 649 00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:21,049 couple of times and then took off he 650 00:31:24,970 --> 00:31:22,880 reported it because they're supposed to 651 00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:24,980 report any new weapon system when you're 652 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:25,360 in a 653 00:31:30,419 --> 00:31:27,570 worse situations with Vietnam after all 654 00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:30,429 the next day the base commander came to 655 00:31:33,510 --> 00:31:32,080 him and said lieutenant Jones you didn't 656 00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:33,520 see anything strange yesterday did you 657 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:36,640 yes sir I reported it you didn't hear me 658 00:31:43,770 --> 00:31:38,650 lieutenant Jones you didn't see anything 659 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:43,780 strange yesterday did you no sir I mean 660 00:31:48,650 --> 00:31:45,730 you get enough stories like this and you 661 00:31:51,289 --> 00:31:48,660 get a picture of what's going on look 662 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:51,299 the clamp was done pretty tight 663 00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:54,370 especially for military guys but the 664 00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:56,049 difference that makes is that it's the 665 00:32:00,810 --> 00:31:58,450 military the government that owns the 666 00:32:04,220 --> 00:32:00,820 sophisticated equipment the radar 667 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:04,230 systems ground-based the radar systems 668 00:32:14,159 --> 00:32:10,290 airborne base space-based so they have a 669 00:32:16,980 --> 00:32:14,169 control of that data that doesn't go in 670 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:16,990 the newspaper it's classified 671 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:18,210 information 672 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:22,450 so I'm very concerned would love to see 673 00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:24,610 the finals what percentage of societies 674 00:32:31,020 --> 00:32:27,760 that reach this point the potential for 675 00:32:32,580 --> 00:32:31,030 going to the stars get through that time 676 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:32,590 because it's also the potential for 677 00:32:38,669 --> 00:32:36,130 developing big weapons Fusion is fusion 678 00:32:43,530 --> 00:32:38,679 they usually for a weapon or for a 679 00:32:45,510 --> 00:32:43,540 propulsion system so we need there 680 00:32:49,730 --> 00:32:45,520 they're only been a little bit more than 681 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:49,740 a dozen PhD theses done about UFOs 682 00:32:56,130 --> 00:32:54,250 there's room for plenty more and I don't 683 00:32:59,210 --> 00:32:56,140 want everything out on the table because 684 00:33:01,950 --> 00:32:59,220 there are real security implications 685 00:33:04,260 --> 00:33:01,960 technical data that anybody could use to 686 00:33:09,659 --> 00:33:04,270 build better weapons propulsion systems 687 00:33:12,780 --> 00:33:09,669 etc but I think we need to start looking 688 00:33:18,750 --> 00:33:12,790 at ourselves in a new way we're not 689 00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:18,760 alone we are not behaving very well from 690 00:33:24,810 --> 00:33:22,510 an outsider to you boy I wish I had the 691 00:33:30,150 --> 00:33:24,820 gift to see us as others see as somebody 692 00:33:33,919 --> 00:33:30,160 once said so I have felt privileged to 693 00:33:36,690 --> 00:33:33,929 be in the center of this maelstrom of 694 00:33:39,060 --> 00:33:36,700 discussions of activities all around the 695 00:33:42,540 --> 00:33:39,070 world I'm get to travel 696 00:33:50,670 --> 00:33:42,550 up to the good it's exciting it's 697 00:33:52,410 --> 00:33:50,680 stimulating its mentally alerting you've 698 00:33:54,030 --> 00:33:52,420 got a responsibility here if you know 699 00:33:57,180 --> 00:33:54,040 something that would help people think 700 00:34:01,050 --> 00:33:57,190 of themselves as earthlings that would 701 00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:01,060 be progress apology is in sort of a 702 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:04,480 mixed bag situation you funds is quite 703 00:34:09,570 --> 00:34:06,490 active it's the largest of the civilian 704 00:34:13,380 --> 00:34:09,580 groups it's got a few thousand members 705 00:34:16,380 --> 00:34:13,390 now it receives between five hundred and 706 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:16,390 a thousand reports a month but it 707 00:34:19,980 --> 00:34:18,010 doesn't have funding for a lot of 708 00:34:23,210 --> 00:34:19,990 scientific investigations 709 00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:23,220 I heard today discussions about 710 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:25,510 electromagnetic effects associated with 711 00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:29,770 UFOs electric fields and what's going on 712 00:34:38,700 --> 00:34:33,280 here high tech secondly I think it's 713 00:34:40,590 --> 00:34:38,710 time for the media to do their job there 714 00:34:44,070 --> 00:34:40,600 isn't a lot of good media coverage of 715 00:34:47,070 --> 00:34:44,080 the subject where you look carefully at 716 00:34:48,870 --> 00:34:47,080 the facts and the data and you go out to 717 00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:48,880 find out more information to back up 718 00:34:54,630 --> 00:34:51,760 what you started out with we need to 719 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:54,640 kick that up more courses there have 720 00:34:59,610 --> 00:34:56,890 been college courses taught about UFOs 721 00:35:02,070 --> 00:34:59,620 and I've even taught it a couple of 722 00:35:04,490 --> 00:35:02,080 Kansa lectured at a couple of the 723 00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:04,500 campuses where these courses were done 724 00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:08,950 but we need a wider vision there are 725 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:11,710 some religious implications here some 726 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:14,650 fundamentalist insists and all the 727 00:35:21,420 --> 00:35:17,530 sensible beings in the neighborhood are 728 00:35:24,140 --> 00:35:21,430 here on planet earth that the UFO stuff 729 00:35:26,910 --> 00:35:24,150 is the work of the devil they say I 730 00:35:28,650 --> 00:35:26,920 think there are implications and there's 731 00:35:31,380 --> 00:35:28,660 a whole book an excellent book by dr. 732 00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:31,390 Barry downing the Bible in flying 733 00:35:36,810 --> 00:35:34,240 saucers going back through the old and 734 00:35:39,420 --> 00:35:36,820 new testaments zero you have all cases 735 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:39,430 all over the place that helps explain 736 00:35:47,460 --> 00:35:43,770 some of the what's gone on and so 737 00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:47,470 there's a lot of work to be done to move 738 00:35:52,220 --> 00:35:50,800 forward in a new direction to gather 739 00:35:54,620 --> 00:35:52,230 more evidence 740 00:35:58,700 --> 00:35:54,630 to get people aware of the evidence that 741 00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:58,710 we do have so that's part of what I try 742 00:36:04,370 --> 00:36:01,680 to do is to get people excited about hey 743 00:36:06,380 --> 00:36:04,380 maybe we can find out some more and what 744 00:36:07,819 --> 00:36:06,390 you find incidentally is that some of 745 00:36:10,700 --> 00:36:07,829 the best cases are the ones that aren't 746 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:10,710 reported the former military guys and 747 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:12,930 something like that is they're afraid of 748 00:36:17,690 --> 00:36:14,970 running afoul of security and being 749 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:17,700 punished penalties for breaking security 750 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:22,290 or stiff long imprisonment high fines 751 00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:24,690 stuff like that they say they're going 752 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:27,089 to shut up unless there's a special 753 00:36:31,940 --> 00:36:28,530 situation in which they're willing to 754 00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:31,950 talk so you ecology is not in a great 755 00:36:37,010 --> 00:36:34,800 state on the other hand it's better than 756 00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:37,020 it was if you look at meetings like this 757 00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,320 one here there's some good papers by 758 00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:43,200 some good people presenting solid 759 00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:45,960 information the new pod conferences 760 00:36:51,620 --> 00:36:50,609 often have that and so we're moving in 761 00:36:55,310 --> 00:36:51,630 the right direction 762 00:36:57,140 --> 00:36:55,320 but we got a long way to go I think 763 00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:57,150 within the next 10 years or so there 764 00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:00,560 will be some serious positive 765 00:37:05,180 --> 00:37:03,839 developments partly because our attitude 766 00:37:07,790 --> 00:37:05,190 about life and outer space has changed 767 00:37:09,470 --> 00:37:07,800 you know Lord were thought of as some 768 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:09,480 kind of a nut if you think is life out 769 00:37:14,450 --> 00:37:11,970 there it's pretty widespread and when I 770 00:37:20,660 --> 00:37:14,460 hear very often is surely we're not the 771 00:37:23,660 --> 00:37:20,670 only ones and God would not do that it's 772 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:23,670 kind of the attitude and that's a good 773 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:27,450 thing that now is an old saying that new 774 00:37:32,540 --> 00:37:30,810 ideas come to be accepted not because 775 00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:32,550 their opponents come to believe in them 776 00:37:37,309 --> 00:37:35,609 but because their opponents die and a 777 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:37,319 new generation grows up that's 778 00:37:45,470 --> 00:37:40,410 accustomed to them so I think that's 779 00:37:49,339 --> 00:37:45,480 happening with UFOs and I'm glad well 780 00:37:52,670 --> 00:37:49,349 I'd like to say that we need to spend 781 00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:52,680 some time thinking about what does it 782 00:37:58,760 --> 00:37:55,920 mean to us me my family my greater 783 00:38:02,180 --> 00:37:58,770 family that were not alone in the 784 00:38:03,380 --> 00:38:02,190 universe what will it mean for my great 785 00:38:06,110 --> 00:38:03,390 grandson 786 00:38:10,430 --> 00:38:06,120 uh what can we do to make the world 787 00:38:14,770 --> 00:38:10,440 better place in which our efforts can be 788 00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:14,780 spent to improve instead of just to kill 789 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:17,760 this sounds like a stupid question of 790 00:38:21,650 --> 00:38:19,410 course it's more important to improve 791 00:38:24,020 --> 00:38:21,660 than it is to kill we haven't been 792 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:24,030 acting that way just look at the budgets 793 00:38:30,020 --> 00:38:27,210 for all the countries on this planet so 794 00:38:32,090 --> 00:38:30,030 I'm still an optimist I mean I'm going 795 00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:32,100 to be 83 in my next birthday and I'm 796 00:38:40,610 --> 00:38:37,200 still hopeful that man will learn to do 797 00:38:44,180 --> 00:38:40,620 better to be concerned about the larger 798 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:44,190 picture of where we fit in the scheme of 799 00:38:50,420 --> 00:38:46,770 things and to get rid of our big ego 800 00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:50,430 about we're it whatever we do is the 801 00:38:57,780 --> 00:38:52,160 only important 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